I'll and another one, 6.5X57 Mauser, basically a 7X57 necked down. It's a pressure thing. In a modern rifle the 6.5X55 and 6.5X57 will do what the Creedmoor can do. If one goes beyond 130g bullets then the 6.5X55 and 6.5X57 will exceed what the Creedmoor can do. Velocity always seems to be the question, I like accuracy. The 6.5 Creedmoor is accurate, but so are the 6.5X55 and 6.5X57. Of course neither the 6.5X55 or 6.5X57 can have the "magical" short action..