Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Please explain to me why/how my thinking is about 75 years behind the times.

The U.S. is part of NATO and wherever NATO goes, so goes the U.S. The inclusion of U.S. military/industrial power was the deciding factor in two World Wars that started in Europe, so Europe's security interests are our security interests too.
Please explain to me why the USA needs to be a part of NATO. It drags us into Europe's fiascos.

Please explain to me how the world benefitted from the USA entering WW1 which was winding down on its own. Please explain how the USA injecting itself into WW1 did not cause WW2 the worst tragedy the human race has ever seen. I'll give you a hint about the problem you will have justifying our meddling. It left over half the world dominated by communism and the two world wars have left us completely bankrupt. We should have no quarrel with Russia.



The value of NATO seems self-evident, no war in Europe involving NATO members.

There are many factors that led to WW2, but the crushing terms of the treaty of Versailles led to the rise of Hitler. U.S. President, Democrat Woodrow Wilson, tried to modify the treaty with his 14 Points plan, but only partially succeeded. Anytime there are major changes, there are almost always unintended/unforeseen consequences. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The only good thing that Russia ever did for the U.S. was to sell us Alaska. Imperial Russia was an oppresive monarchy before the 1917 Revolution. The USSR was an oppressive communist dictatorship until it imploded. If Putin wants to recreate the borders of the former USSR, he is going to face some push back from some of the now independent republics.