Originally Posted by tylerw02
Russia is a corrupt government. Why does Russia get to dictate what other countries do? Countries are sovereign. If they aren't attacking Russia, which they weren't, its none of Putin's business. Why do you want to give Putin the power to govern those around him outside of Russia? Seems you're repeating Russian propaganda.

Originally Posted by tylerw02
An existence of biolabs, which you can't confirm had a weapons program, gives Russia the right to invade another country? Lots of hoops there. Why didn't Putin already invade China? I guess we should invade Russia because of their biolabs.
OK, if we stipulate that the Russian government is bad, is expansionist, is killing civilians, and all other sorts of bad things why is it our business if they are not bothering us? May we also stipulate that the Ukraine government is not so innocent either? May we also stipulate that while both sides are bad that Russia does have a point with not wanting de-facto NATO on his border? Russian paranoia is not irrational considering history. Not taking up for Putin or Russia, just saying it is not our problem and we need to get out of NATO now.


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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