Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
Hodgdon data is not very good - they have lots of pressure errors for starters. The real gap with the best powders at SAAMI max pressure is often less than 100 ft/s depending on bullet. That won't get you 100y.

The .30-06 can of course be improved by increasing the pressure IF the brass you're using is designed for over-pressure use. With the right brass you could probably run it at 65K in certain guns (.308 too). Problem is, as far as I know no one makes that brass.


Mr. Bob, I don't know whether your info is obsolete or you just don't know (ignorant).??

Here are 3 pix from

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Notice the date published 1978



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Loads For 30-06 Sako - W W brass (older manuf.)




Loads for 150 gr . . AND . . 165 . . AND 180 grain bullets.
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Apparently Mr. Hagel found some GOOD brass before 1978.


I, personally have shot several of those loads **NO rifles blown up ** NO stuck cases and Velocities on par w/22" bll.
Also some of those have been shot in Rem Model Six rifles (pumps - no less)
I'm currently shooting my LAST lb. of H 205 under 165 HBTSP @ 2920-2950 fps ( Oehler 33 graph)

I also know that WW brass today is ?suspect? but Nosler, Norma, & Hornady brass today will stand pressures EQUAL to 308 pressures.


I've never seen a 308 produce those speeds even from 24" blls.

Just giving some stats FROM 1978 and I've been using 30+ years.

Jerry

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