Originally Posted by Llama_Bob

If your beef is with .308 factory loads, then we're actually in agreement about that. Most factory .308 is download WAY below SAAMI and/or with overly fast powders to avoid bending crappy cast M1A op rods.

Of course if your constrain .30-06 to only factory ammo that will run in a Garand, it doesn't look so hot either.


I don’t have a beef with factory .308 Win loads – they are what they are and I rarely shoot them. That said, non-handloaders are pretty much stuck with them.

Nor do I have a clue why people would constrain their .30-06 loads to something that would run in a Garand when most shooters and hunters don’t own one.

I just finished review the factory loads for Winchester, Remington and Federal. In many cases there isn’t a lot of difference between the .308 and .30-06 but the .30-06 almost always has a higher velocity (or maybe always, I didn’t check every load).

There is a dearth of 180g and higher weight loads for the .308 Win, but here is one comparison:

2620fps = Federal P308TT1, .308 Win/180g, Trophy Bonded Tip
2880fps = Federal P308TT4, .308 Win/165g, Trophy Bonded Tip (Note this is a 165g load)

2700fps = Federal P3006TT1, .30-06/180g, Trophy Bonded Tip
2880fps = Federal P3006TT4, .30-06/180g, Trophy Bonded Tip

Say what you will, at 300 yards the 30-06/180g2880fps load provides a 100 yard advantage over the similar .308 Win/180g load in terms of retained energy and about 150 yards in velocity.

I’d hunt elk with either but where the .308 falls below 1500fpe a bit past 400 yards, the .30-06 retains that energy out to about 550 yards. And where the .308 falls below 2000fps at about 375 yards, the .30-06 load maintains it past 500 yards.


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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.

A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.