Thousands of years ago, AS, He said His message of good news would be spread around the world. His miracles were seen by enough in the Holy Land to turn the Babylon of Rome and the mightiest army on earth toward the destruction of His Word and them. There was a reason He is alive and they have died. He even told us of naysayers like you. We know where you come from. You lean on your science, the science He made. He didn't want us to have scientific proof. If there were, even the stiff necked would believe. He doesnt need those without faith up there. As folks had faith as a little child in their parents, He expects the same from those He created if they want Him to provide for them. Did you, as a child, ask your parents for proof they made and cared for and would provide for you? They gave you life. He would give you everlasting life if you would trust Him as you once did them.
You nor anyone deserves faith. If you did He would provide it. None of us deserve it. He operates through the spirit. All of us have one. You have the choice of following it or the flesh- the physical if you wish. Beat your mighty chest and tell all you wish for proof. Then, wish in one hand and crap in the other.
It was written. It was done. Jesus died for all of us even you (but you deserve to see him leave the tomb). His word was spread over the world. A miracle was done before your eyes in your lifetime, that was promised ages ago.
Lean on your science and tell us it was a lucky guess by a bunch of itinerant goat herders. Now you know why He thinks as He does of the "wise". You are wise in your own eyes. You are blind because you want to be.
Nice diatribe, but you provided no evidentiary support for any of it.
In addition, you completely avoided my previous question, regarding why should we believe the theistic claims of these specific texts. How can you demonstrate they are authoritative? What can you offer for independent corroboration?
There are thousands of other god claims, why this one?
We know the text have been extensively redacted (rewritten), combined and changed over time. What we call 4 four gospels are all by anomalous sources, and all we have is copies, of copies, of copies, of copies. We even know some of the canonized books are out-and-out forgeries.
So before you can claim this book tells you the mind of God, you must first establish it's reliability. If you cannot do that, our beliefs are without basis.
And "Believe the Bible because the Bible tells you to.", is called Circular Reasoning.
I never saw your post as i was busy typing. I will read it now.
I erred in my post when i said no one deserves faith and edited it to 'deserves proof'.
When you build something you get to dictate to it, not vice versa.
You aint the boss. The boss said no proof. The boss said have faith if you want to be saved. You dont have to. You can be your own boss, but you wont get saved. If He gave you proof everyone would know they have to do it or die. Then you'd be pissed at the boss about what he was making you do.
If i had proof i wouldnt show it to you. Everyone else has faith, if they want the good news.
So which is it?
No one deserves proof, or you have proof due to prophecy?
I dont have the scientific proof you think you are so deserving of. I have the same proof as those in the Holy Land 2000 years ago. Proof enough for me in seeing the prophecies of the prophets from thousands of years ago and on through the prophecies given by Jesus having been fulfilled.
That would of course mean nothing to you, of course. If i predicted Apple stock would triple in a year and it did, you would predict it just a lucky guess.
So you don't have a best prophecy you can offer.
If you could repeatably predict the performance of stocks that would be a demonstrated phenomena to be examined. Like wise, it there we repeatable consistent prophecies in the Bible, that would be a phenomena we could examine, but, you couldn't even come up with one worth examining.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
