Gus,

There's at least 6 Mary's in the NT. It was a very common name, so it's no real surprise that a Roman soldier knocked one up. Heck it would be more surprising if the Roman Soldier were not taking an interest in the local girls. [/quote]

Why do you believe there were Marys in the New Testament and yet reject the Central Figure of the New Testament? You're trying to convince those who believe there was no vigin birth by appealing to a rape for which there is no record.[/quote]

I did not say I believed they existed, but there are no less then 6 characters in the text with that name. So, was it a common name, or did the authors just have no imagination? [/quote]

The authors recorded the facts. Because you have difficulty with the facts doesn't change them. [/quote]



New International Version
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning ....

Psalm 116:11 1 I said in my haste, All men are liars. [/quote]

ok, so god saves who he wants, and doesn't save who he doesn't want. am i understanding you correctly? if so, you might know a little about 5 point calvinism? if not, surely 3 point stuff?