Originally Posted by BWalker

I've driven a 140g 7mm ballistic tip stem to stern through a muley buck. Not bad for a bullet 75% cheaper than a BT.


Originally Posted by BWalker
Range was 200 yards from a 280 remington. 3150fps at the muzzle iirc.


Given those parameters, Nosler’s claimed B.C. of .485 for the 7mm 140g BT, an altitude of 7500 feet and a temperature of 59F, the impact velocity would have dropped from 3150fps to about 2846fps at 200 yards. Retained energy, the same energy that destroys flesh and bone and attempts to destroy the bullet as it is lost, falls from about 3084fpe at the muzzle to 2518fpe at 200 yards.

Your experience simply shows that a cup-and-core bullet like a BT can penetrate deeply at a moderate impact velocity and energy. Congratulations, but this is not exactly headline news.

Experimenters other than myself have shown over and over that higher impact velocities often result in less penetration. In my own tests I’ve driven a 300g and 350g .458” bullets through 12 water jugs with a MV of 1167fps and 1097fps respectively on multiple occasions, a feat I have been unable to duplicate with any bullet at higher velocities. In fact, here are a few of my results, sorted by MV:

7 jugs = 3100fps 180g Barnes .308” MRX (expanded diameter .674”, one petal lost, 93.4% retained weight)
4 jugs = 2800fps 165g Federal .308” Trophy Bonded Tip (expanded diameter .677”, retained weight 92.8%) (Federal factory laod)
4 jugs = 2800fps 165g Sierra .308” GameKing (expanded diameter .718”, 84.2%) (Federal factory load)
6 jugs = 2742fps 225g Nosler .338” AccuBond (expanded diameter .628”, 62.3% retained weight)
4 jugs = 2707fps 225g Hornady .338” SST (expanded diameter .743”, 56.2% retained weight)
3 jugs = 2707fps 225g Hornady .338” SST (expanded diameter = fragments, 43.6% retained weight)
6 jugs = 2189fps 350g North Fork .458” FP (expanded diameter ..800”, 97.4% retained weight)
8 jugs = 2147fps 350g Speer .458” JFN (expanded diameter .665”, 87.6% retained weight)
9 jugs = 1812fps 460g Cast Performance .458” WFNGC (expanded diameter .582”, 76.5% retained weight)
9+ jugs = 1554fps 500g Speer .458” African Grand Slam (exited side of jug #9, not recovered)
6 jugs = 1531fps 300g Speer .429” Gold Dot (expanded diameter .645”, 99.1% retained weight)
8 jugs = 1467fps 240g Speer .429” JSP (expanded diameter .494”, 97.9% retained weight)
4 jugs = 1460fps 125g Hornady .357” XTP (expanded diameter .544”, 90% retained weight)
4 jugs = 1252fps 115g Hornady 9mm XTP (expanded diameter .563”, 84% retained weight)
12+ jugs = 1167fps 300g Oregon Trail .458” LaserCast (exited jug #12, not recovered)
12+ jugs = 1097fps 350g Oregon Trail .458” LaserCast (exited jug #12, not recovered)
6 jugs = 975fps 185g Barnes .458” TAC-XPD (expanded diameter .796”, 100% retained weight)

While the only NF bullet tested on water jugs was a .458” 350g, I have fired smaller varieties into elk and deer at close range/high velocity (10 feet and up) and even into steel and they have held together. My 7mm RM launches the 140g North Fork HP at 3214fps and I don’t have any concerns shooting an animal with that load no matter how short the range.

I do question how a 140g BT would hold up at similar velocity, which is why the 140g NF HP is my preferred load for the 7mm as well as the .280 Rem. The .30-06s and .300WM get NF SS and Barnes MRX/TTSX for the same reason – no concerns about close range performance.


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