Originally Posted by fburgtx
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by smokepole
Looked to me like the guy who got shot had partial custody of his kid, showed up at the appointed time to pick him up, and his wife would not produce the kid.

If that's true, I don't blame the "trespasser" for getting pissed and not leaving. And I wonder how that would change the culpability of the wife. If she was denying him his visitation, she had to know that would set him off.

If all that's true, and it may well be, then his solution was to report it to the courts and arrange to have Sheriff's Deputies with him every time he comes to pick up his kid till his wife starts cooperating with the court orders. Getting in the face of a guy who comes out of his home with a gun and demands you leave isn't the right move.


Yeah, but did the boyfriend ever really have the “right” to go on the lawn with a gun, in the FIRST PLACE. Unless the Dad was threatening to physically harm the ex-wife, or stealing something, “deadly force” wasn’t an option.

Did Dad have right to be there to get his kids? Likely yes.

Did Mom have legal obligation to have kids there, ready to go? Yes

Was Mom violating court order/breaking law/ “kidnapping” kids? Possibly

Was there a REASON for mom and ex-boyfriend to go OUTSIDE and “escalate” argument?? No

Does boyfriend have “right” to take gun outside to chase off trespasser (when there was INITIALLY a physical barrier between them)?? No

Should Dad have walked back to his car, called cops, and had them sort it out?? Yes



Boyfriend was on the porch until deceased slung him into the yards and then he was shot



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