Originally Posted by DBT
The logic is not hard to grasp.

If it is ''by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God and not by works, so that no one can boast, works are not needed, all have fallen short but are saved through grace, not works.

Yet we have "a person is justified by works and not by faith alone”

The former tells us that works have no bearing on justification or salvation by Grace that faith is sufficient, yet the latter states that a person is justified by works, not faith alone, which contradicts salvation through faith and grace alone.

It can be one or the other, but both can't be true.

If we have salvation though faith and grace alone, works doesn't come into it. Yet we are told it does.

Context is a poor excuse. Context does not transform what these verses are clearly stating into something opposite.

Then again, logic is not a strong point with religion and faith.
And yet many boast of that. It’s often seen in the religious threads.


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