Originally Posted by TF49
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by TF49
You should not presume to judge God. His thoughts and His ways are above your ways.

This is the worst idea ever put forth by religious people.

There are no good reasons to believe any gods, let alone your God, exists. All evidence indicate the the thoughts and actions attributed to your God came from ancient men without benefit of the knowledge accumulated over that last 2500-3000 years. I have every right to question the thoughts and judgements of other men, especially those of ancient, relatively primitive humans.

This is a common dishonest tactic used by the religion, not just Christians, to shut down the discussion when it enters uncomfortable territory, especially when the actions claims of values portrayed in the Bible clearly conflict with modern science or our modern, more evolved, sense or morality.

There is nothing moral about scapegoating. It doesn't matter if you are killing a goat to cleans the tribe of it's since, or torturing an murdering a human, or your own child for the sins of others. It's not moral.

The actions of God in the flood story, are not moral.

Gods actions in the slaughter of the Midianites are not moral, especially where he's unhappy that only the adult men were slaughtered, and order the murder of all male children, and all women who are not virgins. There are not moral acts, and if you do not question them, your morality is broken, and it was broken by your belief in your God.

But it doesn't end there. Young Earth Creationist, Modern Flat Earthers, the deniers of The Theory of Evolution, all come from this absurd idea that certain claims and idea's cannot be questions because they appear in a certain book, or set of books. It is the excuse of the religious to not think critically, and just blindly follow their faith no matter what, even when deep down, you know it is wrong.



Well, you don't accept Jesus nor the Bible, so your comments can viewed in that context.

You are placing your own personal opinion and view above that of the Bible.

That is not my view. In my view, your are questioning the integrity of your Creator. You presume that you know and understand His ways and disapprove. This attitude will not serve you well. And, as we have discussed before this is not a threat, it is a warning. Even a plea....


Of course it's a veiled threat.

I find it ironic how I point out how your religious beliefs broke your morality, and in response, you commit another immoral action by indirectly threatening me with ETERNAL TORTURE. It's a very immoral thing for you to do. It's especially immoral when Christians make these threats to Children.

But to me, the saddest part of this, IS YOU ARE TRYING TO BE A GOOD PERSON, yet if you made this threat in any other context, say threatening to lock me in a basement and burn me daily, you'd be removed from civilized society and thrown in prison. Now think about that. Take a moment, and really thing about it. Your religion is causing you to say things, that if done in any other context, would land you in prison, yet somehow, you think this makes you moral?

I gave you an example of God ordered GENOCIDE. Today we call those Crimes Against Humanity. If your God was put on trial at at the Hague, it probably wouldn't go well for him, but you just brush it off as and claim we are too stupid to question these stories written by bronze age goat herders.

Since this is a moral example set forth by your God, why not test it out? Next time a girl of a different religions batts here eyes and smiles at your son, do as your God ordered to the Midianites. Murder mom and dad, all the males in the household, including the little ones, and all the women who've laid with a man, perhaps including their teenage daughter, but keep all the virgin girls for yourself. Of course, since you just murdered their family, they are not go with you willingly, so you'll have to make slaves of them. Once you are caught, go ahead and tell the DA that he's just too stupid to understand the perfect morality of your God. Lets see how that works out for you, and if a Jury of 12 will buy your "you're all too stupid to understand my God" defense, or, if you get the death penalty.

Of course I have no reason to believe you will do such a thing, but it's a simple illustration of how our modern society does judge the morals put forth by your God, and many are rejected, and following they example will result in your separation from our society.

Anyway, that's a long way of saying you have a duty and responsibility to question the moral claims put forth by primitive writers of your religious texts. If you don't "understand the ways of your God" as it applies to moral teaching, that's probably your brain telling you that what you are reading is NOT moral, and it's best you adjust your behavior accordingly.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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