Mallard,

I quoted "naked" scope measurements. If you want to know how long the Zeiss is with Butler Creeks, I can get you that. It will be longer still, than the number I quoted, and proportionally longer still than the 4.5x14, by roughly an inch and a half. FWIW.

I don't appreciate the dig that my response wouldn't be "honest". We don't need to act like that.

Your rifles would almost certainly work just fine for me. I'm adaptable. But, would they be set up the best they possibly could be, for me? Doubt it. And, why would I want to set up my rifles in any way other than what is the best they can possibly be, for me? They are MY RIFLES.

What consistantly works best for me, on rifles from BLR's to M7's and M700's and Savages and Sendero's and Marlin lever guns and so on... is to mount the scope all the way back towards me. Why is that so... wrong? I'm not saying it would be best for YOU. That would be just as stupid as you thinking that your way is what is best for ME, sir.

I'm not telling anyone what to do, nor casting aspersions on how they do it. That's what you and Art are doing, however.

One more time. Take my M7 for example. Where that Zeiss is mounted is PERFECT for me. I am right in the middle of the sweet spot, I get a full field of view at all power settings from my natural cheek weld, and I don't get hit by the scope. Ever.

How could it POSSIBLY be mounted any better than that, for ME?

Please answer that question before bothering to insult me any further with honesty comments or implying that I'm trying to fool anyone.

Originally Posted by MallardAddict
Jeff

I do not really even have a dog in this fight, was just posting honest facts, but the truth is Jeff that you do not seem to know as much as you think. The reason i say this is you have mentioned more then once that a scope tube never delivers a clear image without the thick black ring around it for you, this is likely because it needs to go forward a good inch or so.

Ya see Jeff, that 4.5-14 on my Montana is actually 12.7" as just measured with its BC caps, which i have never taken off since put on (and that length thusly is same same as tube length then). The Mk4 above that used to reside on my .223 Model 7 and is now on my FN 308 above is 14.2" minus its sunshade. The 6.5-20 on my Kimber 22-250 that was on a model 7' 7mm-08 is 14" on the nuts. I have a 4.5-14 LR that was on a previous Kimber Montana .308 before i put it on my .257 ROY, it is 13.4". Also have a VXII 6.5-18 handy that goes 13.5" that's currently on my 7 Rum but was on a model 7 .308 at one time. And lastly my Leica 2.5-10 30MM tube on my Semi Custom .338 RUM is 13.3" on the nuts. None of my scopes have the power ring more then 3/4-1" away from the rear ring and all have always been clear without any "thick black ring"

These are just a few of the ones at the safe door and handy, but all pretty long tubes in the world of scopes and NONE are that far back.

I have seen your pictures, and your build isnt that differnt then mine. If i thought your response would be honest i would wager $100 that you or anyone else except a Giant or Midget could shoulder any of my rifles eyes closed and the scopes will be just fine for you without adjusting your head on the comb upon openeing your eyes. Yuo see pretty much all of my rifles have been shot by the gamut of sizes from 8 year olds that barely go 4' 6" tall to my buddy who is 7'1" (admitdly he has to adjust a bit but hes huge.

Again you can bullchit the fans but not the players.

Last edited by Jeff_O; 05/30/09.
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