I broke out the Ruger Mini 14 today and mounted a new scope on it. While sighting the rifle in I had one two shot group that measured less than .5 inches and a three shot group that measured 5/8 inch. I was feeling good. I then hung the official targets and shot the first three shots of my official, for the record, ten shot group from a Mini 14. First three shots of the ten were slightly less than 4 inches. I thought I would save the rest of that ammo for my AR and remove the scope from the Ruger. My brother reminded me that they were designed to be like a M1 Carbine not like an AR. They sure are handy.