Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
More personal attack.
Absolutely not. It's an observation of your communication style based on your inability to understand certain figures of speech, the inability to understand metaphors, the inability to notice how certain words are emphasized by being placed in quotations, and your literal interpretation of various statements.
Its personal attack whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Perhaps you're just a little insecure and thin-skinned, but I'm only posting my observations. Whether you acknowledge it or not.


Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by Bricktop
My argument asks for a simple yes or no answer. You've instead chosen to respond with a rather creative answer describing Colorado's legal definition of a loaded firearm that only thinly disguises your hypocrisy.

I'll break it down to your terms: do you or do you not hunt with an UNCAPPED muzzleloader? Just answer yes or no.
What I�ve done was provide conflicting definitions, the legal definition for this state and my own, as well as how I hunt. You ask if I hunt with an uncapped muzzlestuffer and the answer is clearly provided in my post above as �frequently�. That would be a �Yes� in some circumstances and a �No� in others. There is no hypocrisy there, just decisions to act differently as I see fit in varying circumstances.
Can you or can't you just answer yes or no?


Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Your "logic" thus far for hunting with a loaded muzzleloader vice a loaded cartridge firearm is that it takes you longer to load the muzzleloader. So by your "logic," it should be okay to hunt with a round in the chamber of a cartridge firearm as long as you leave the rest of your ammo back in the truck. Great plan.
Another non sequitor.
Absolutely not. It highlights your hypocritical argument.
Another non-sequitor, yes. The time required to load a firearm does not affect the safety of the loaded firearm. The reason I tend to hunt with a loaded (capped with powder and bullet in the barrel) muzzlestuffer more frequently than with a loaded cartridge rifle is that doing otherwise (even with just the cap removed) would cause me to lose shot opportunities that would not be lost with a cartridge rifle that simply needed to be loaded from the magazine.
Again, you're trying to stretch things here and justify your answer by making 2 + 2 = 5. You're trying to justify one firearm is safer than the other simply because it takes you longer to load it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c



Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by Bricktop
What you've stated consistently is you believe the time required to load a muzzleloader somehow makes it less dangerous than a loaded cartridge firearm.
On the contrary, I have never stated or suggested that and do not believe it to be true.

Let me be as clear as I can here � my belief is that a loaded (capped with powder and bullet in the barrel) muzzlestuffer is just as dangerous as a cartridge firearm that has a loaded chamber. That is why I often remove the cap just as I would empty a chamber.
No, you've stated over and over that you believe it's dangerous to hunt with a round in the chamber of a cartridge firearm. Yet when the same circumstances are applied to a muzzleloader -- a "muzzlestuffer," in your parlance -- you state that you hunt more often with a capped, live muzzleloader becuase you're afraid you'll miss a shooting opportunity. That line of thinking by itself tells me you're either an over-confident firearms neophyte or simply a hypocrite about safety.


Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by Bricktop
[I haven't seen anything yet in anything you've posted in this discussion that would qualify as either logic or "common" sense. You've stated that you think it's too dangerous to hunt with a loaded cartridge firearm, but you don't apply the same safety practice to a muzzleloader because you take longer to load it. You're either a hypocrite with regards to safety or you're very inexperienced with firearms.
To repeat myself, I hunt hot or cold with BOTH my cartridge rifles and muzzlestuffers as I feel appropriate for the circumstances at hand.

And contrary to your assertion, I have NEVER stated I think �it's too dangerous to hunt with a loaded cartridge firearm�. This is (at least) the second assertion you�ve made regarding my statements that is a complete fabrication.
No, you've stated that you think it's more dangerous to hunt with a live round in the chamber of a cartridge firearm than a capped and loaded muzzleloader. That's your assertion, not mine.


Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Perhaps you would see the logic in my statements if you weren�t so busy inventing things to attribute to me that I haven�t said.
I've only had to quote your posts. I'm too tired and lazy to invent anything.

To summarize what I've gleaned from your posts:

You believe it's basically a dangerous condition to hunt with a live round in the chamber of a cartridge firearm, though you sometimes do as the circumstances dictate.

You believe it can be dangerous to hunt with a capped and loaded muzzleloader, though you tend to do more often than not because of the length of time it takes you to cap one.

You think the two types of firearms can't be compared even though they both launch projectiles that can be potentially hazardous to the recipient.

You are unfamiliar with the adage "More people have been shot with 'unloaded' guns than with loaded guns." (Note the quotation marks.)

Those are your beliefs are they not? (Just answer yes or no.)

My take is every gun should be treated as if it were loaded. Safety rules should be applied consistently to ALL firearms and under ALL circumstances. Anything less highlights your ignorance or hypocrisy.


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