Go figure that grizzly-a-loon can't cipher an exit wound on a quartering toward shot, nor that facts trump his position across the board.

Can't know what central NY county has it all over the 'dacks for rough and thick, but I'm hoping to learn. Grizzly-a-loon, you're welcome to try the Saddles for a spell, but leave the 4-wheeler at home; the trails were done in by your's truly, and the terrain has central NY trumped, handily.

Ditto the same for the Wallingford Pond and Victory State Forest areas of Vermont; and, Amherst, Alleghany, Augusta, Bedford, Nelson, Pulaski, Rockbridge, and Rockingham counties in VA. BT/DT, in those locales (amongst others). You're welcome to try..... Though, comparatively, they ain't even that rough.

Do tell on that hellish central NY county, though.....