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“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal.” Matthew 25:46


God destroys the wicked with Death as final punishment.. [ as in dead for eternity]...OK,
so where does eternal torment in flames fit in..?

You kill someone then torture /torment them
forever after that.. 🤔


Originally Posted by WhiteTail48


“Hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.” Mark 9:43

“Where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.” Mark 9:44

Hellfire is mentioned in Mark 9:47



The O.T. does not describe hell/hades as being
flame filled eternal torment, so I take it to
be a N.T. christian cult ploy /construct to
frighten people into believing.

or did God give hell a total make over?





It seems that Christian doctrine is not compatible with Judaism.


That's what Marcion thought. He didn't see how it was possible the God of the OT and NT were the same God.

of course, Marcion was a heretic, not a believer, so I wouldn't put much stake in what he believed.


Why would it be about who happens to believe this or that rather than what is true regardless of who believes this or that?

There is an undeniable change in the nature and character of God between the OT and NT.

actually, no.


It's there for anyone to see, Yahweh being described as a god of war in the OT and a God of Love in the NT.

The two are simply not compatible. Not logically. Not ethically. Not conceptually.

yet.....
Jeremiah 31:3 The Lord appeared to him from afar, saying, “I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness.
Matt 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "



And, no, salvation was not garnered by keeping the 10 Commandments in the OT. OT saints and NT saints are each saved by faith, so the method of salvation did not change.

God is not merely a God of Justice/Judgement in the OT and a God of Grace/Mercy in the NT. The Justice/Judgement and grace/mercy of God are demonstrated in the OT and NT. I can give you numerous examples of grace in the OT and Judgement in the NT.

God has not changed, but if you don't want to take my word for it, take His.....
Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.