Originally Posted by 4ager
Originally Posted by MojoHand
Originally Posted by 4ager
An honest man needs nor is defined by religion or not; he is simply honest regardless of faith or lack thereof.



Sean,

Let me skip ahead to reply to your post.

The question wasn't about general honesty..it was about honesty regarding faith vis-a-vis the facts.

In fact, you make a good point against many Christian claims that morality and ethics cannot exist apart from their version of religion/God.


Faith needs not facts, and facts need not faith. They are not mutually exclusive, nor are they mutually required. An honest person is honest; one that is not, will not be regardless of faith or the lack thereof.


So if a person tries to claim they have proof of their 'faith' (which is patently dishonest) you would say they are an all around disingenuous person?


It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...

Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.

Stupidity has no average...