"So there is nothing circular about this logic. We observed the universe, we described what we observed and those observations are consistent with spontaneously created universe. "
So, we looked at the universe and we described it and based on what we observed and noting how it behaved we assumed that gravity and the physical laws were somehow present and therefore we got a spontaneously created universe.
And you don't think that is circular???
You choose not to understand and you choose to deny. You hold fast to your belief and defend it with old fashioned religious fervor.
TF
That is the current evidence we have.
Do you have evidence to dispute it?
Well, at least we agree that it is circular. Without God, it may be the best you have.
I did not agree the scientific position is circular. Drawing from observation is not the same as drawing from the same book that's been edited, redacted, and sanitized for 25 centuries to prove itself.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
