Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Most of the Russian armor losses Oryx cites are fake. They are Ukrainian losses with a "Z" or "V" painted on them after the fact. Oryx has even used photoshopped pictures.
Yes Russia is always decisively winning on this thread and they never suffer losses. Yet the lines on the map never change anymore
The lines aren't moving because the counter offensive belly flopped.
If the lines truly are not moving (much) that would seem to indicate Russia has what it wants and is now just going to hold on to it and let NATO send Ukrainians in until they get tired and quit.
Pretty much. But if you convinced yourself that Russia was trying to take over all of Ukraine, and they haven't, it must mean Russia is losing.

Under no circumstances can it mean that your preconceived notion was wrong.
Exactly and not just all of Ukraine but Poland and all of Eastern European and eventually the US of A.

So when Russia doesn’t take over all of Ukraine, Eastern Europe and the USA. It will be proof that the US actually won and that it was money and lives well spent. Biden, CNN, McConnel and the rest of the RINO’s will all tell us so🙄

The same supposedly ragtag Russian military that they claim is getting its azz handed to them by Ukraine is also the same Russian military that they claim is going to run roughshod over all of Europe and possibly the US without $100’s of billions of our money and involvement. I’m not sure how those two worldviews mesh?