Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Virtual particles, quantum foam, and something from nothing, and how we know nothing isn't nothing, from of Fermilab.





A bit of review…… The Big Bang… the universe is measured to be 13.8 billion years old. It has a beginning and it is expanding. You will quibble here, but it seems there would be nothing for “Quantum Mechanics” to act on until …after….yep… after…..the Big Bang event.

There is no evidence that the Krauss “nothings” even existed prior to the Big Bang. Further, there is the thought out there that even the existence of “spacetime” much less the governing laws of physics may not have existed or was irrelevant prior to the Big Bang. IDK about that.


Here… is info from Wiki:

“Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.[24] This singularity indicates that general relativity is not an adequate description of the laws of physics in this regime. Models based on general relativity alone can not extrapolate toward the singularity beyond the end of the Planck epoch.

This primordial singularity is itself sometimes called "the Big Bang",[25] but the term can also refer to a more generic early hot, dense phase[26][notes 1] of the universe. In either case, "the Big Bang" as an event is also colloquially referred to as the "birth" of our universe since it represents the point in history where the universe can be verified to have entered into a regime where the laws of physics as we understand them (specifically general relativity and the standard model of particle physics) work. Based on measurements of the expansion using Type Ia supernovae and measurements of temperature fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, the time that has passed since that event — otherwise known as the "age of the universe" — is 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years.[27] The agreement of independent measurements of this age supports the ΛCDM model that describes in detail the characteristics of the universe.

Despite being extremely dense at this time—far denser than is usually required to form a black hole—the universe did not re-collapse into a black hole. This may be explained by considering that commonly-used calculations and limits for gravitational collapse are usually based upon objects of relatively constant size, such as stars, and do not apply to rapidly expanding space such as the Big Bang.”


Science is still limited in understanding all of this, but it seems that the Big Band had to happen ..…..before….. the laws of physics had anything to “act on.”
All we see in this physical world had a beginning. I believe the action initiator to be the Creator God.

The a-theist might reply that yes it happened and yes it had a beginning but there must be some other explanation other than God. “Since I am an atheist, any and all explanations involving God must be sneered at and deemed not applicable because “God” can’t be demonstrated in the laboratory.”

Echo chamber…..

Last edited by TF49; 07/07/19.
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