Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Thunderstick
You cannot use Jesus words as standard of measure unless we understand that they are the words of Jesus. Either you accept Jesus Words and the OT record both as reliable accounts or you have no case at all to discern. You can't say you believe in Jesus moral standard if you don't even believe in Jesus or His words.

If you believe in neither testament than what is your moral standard that we are going to use to judge?


The words we have are not the words of Jesus.

What we have is the words of Authors writing under the names of Mark, Luke, Matthew, Pauls' letters, etc....and the words quite obviously say what they say and mean what they mean.

One more time;

God is love. - 1 John 4:8

1 Corinthians 13; Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.''

1 John 4:7-8; Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Now, once again - these are not my words, they are not my definitions. It has nothing to do with me.

Nor are these the words of Jesus. The words are written decades after the death of Jesus the charismatic Rabbi upon whom the legend was built.


He is love, but He is also jealous, and He is also just. You make the choice to live in the law or out of it.



You are indeed correct about God being a “jealous” God. This is good.

God is “vigilant in protecting his possession” and vigilant in protecting the one He loves..... He will not lose them out of His hand.

Yep, being jealous is a good thing.

But, if one does not understand language or understand the context of how words are used they cannot grasp meaning.

Oprah Winfrey has this same problem many years ago..... read a single verse, did not understand the verse nor the context, became confused .....lost in the darkness.


Last edited by TF49; 07/11/19.
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”