Originally Posted by Thunderstick
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Gus
Originally Posted by nighthawk
And now we're arguing semantics. But to say God sees us as not worth saving but in his mercy he does save us would make God irrational. Better to say we cannot achieve salvation through our own merit. When we follow the laws there is no gain as that is what is required, what we should be doing. But when we sin there is loss. We need forgiveness an mercy to get us back to even.


god in his omneity has a lot of options.

humans are in truth, probably not worth saving.

a poor design, or poorly implemented, or unbalanced.

maybe he was doing his best with the materials available?

anyways, he'll let people give up, give in to the mighty god.

but he is still omnipotent. he can save whether you like it or not.

a lot of folks will probably not like god's decisions. but what ever.


Gus,

You are presuming any gods exist, a claim which has not been supported by sufficient evidence within this thread.


A statement which all the founders would dispute as ludicrous as they held the belief in a Creator to be a self-evident truth.


Not true as was established earlier. And even if it was, at best it's an appeal to authority, in an area where they are not a knowledgeable authority, especially not by today's standards. Science is not determined by politicians.

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And they were right as no mathematical equation can ever be done to illustrate how biological life can start without there being an eternal uncaused first cause or how life can exist without all the anthropic principles in place.


This is a straw-man argument. The realm of science is not limited to just math. I especially like how you mixed math and biology for your "mathamatical biological equation", to form a straw-red herring leading into your Argument from Ignorance.

You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell