Originally Posted by Thunderstick
Originally Posted by carbon12
Originally Posted by Thunderstick
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Thunderstick

By what moral law that was in effect. The inability to grasp the simple logic of ancient times is mind boggling.


What you fail to consider is that we are not discussing ''the moral law in effect'' as displayed by the people in that time and place, but the moral values of God as described in the bible, especially the dichotomy between the new testament version of god and the war god of the tribe of Israel, Yahweh. That is the contradiction.


Putting this simply--there is no atrocity unless there is a moral standard of judgment. There is no contradiction between the Testaments because the Old prophesied about the New. There is no contradiction when change is prophesied and then implemented. What these last few pages represent is that the skeptics were not able to make any compelling points on this thread for their positions and this is their last stand/holdout. You know or should know by now that if you lose this argument you have no more blanks to fire. Skepticism by its very nature is logically indefensible because the best it can do is speculate on probability, attack the leading evidence against their case, and avoid offering anything of moral substance for others to critique.



What is logically indefensible is giving faith to a putative omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God that required an overhaul of his testament with a new testament. A real perfect God would have gotten right the first time.


Everything was originally created perfect and then man sinned. The sinful human nature is undeniably present in the selfish nature of a child.The problem is not God but with what man has done with their opportunities and thus God has incrementally brought the human race to the point where they could receive His full revelation. With the human race so depraved God started with a small nation and miraculously preserved it through all odds. He used extreme measures because the pagan world at that time was very brutal. By introducing laws that met the times He was able to work with mankind to bring them to His full revelation. Had Jesus appeared in the patriarchal age there would have no way to spread it rapidly through the world so that His death and resurrection could be investigated. Working through human history God established a nation, then when that nation dispersed His prophecies were also spread before they could be fulfilled. The Greeks brought a common language and the Romans a network of roads. This introduced the advent of Christ.



Whoa!

What you just said is: man was able to derail God's Original Perfect Plan pretty much at the very onset. Does not say much about where God got his omniscience.