Some folks believe that they know. Which is not the same as knowing.
You are correct......
Believing means that you have chosen a truth, but ‘knowing’ means that you are certain about that truth. Believing always leaves room for doubt, but ‘knowing’ leads to confidence. Believing is blind trust, while ‘knowing’ is trusting with awareness.
So, I know that I believe in the God of the Bible...
Chosen a truth? Something should be proven to be true....in which case there is no need to 'choose the truth' because it has been clearly shown to be true.
What you mean is choose a faith, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc....even then it's not a matter of choice, but conviction.
What you call 'knowing' is faith, not factual knowledge.
Nor is conviction the same as choice. they are two different things. You don't choose to be convinced, you are either convinced by whatever is being presented, or you are not....there may be a variety of reasons for a conviction, or lack of it.
So what is the argument? We are stating the same.........you originally said...
"Some folks believe that they know. Which is not the same as knowing." (see above)
I did say you are correct...did I not?
Since you stated your idea of believing vs knowing.... I stated my three ideas about believing vs knowing...and I'll expand to make crystal clear...
1st meaning.... Believing means that you have chosen a truth...to me that is the TRUTH... I cannot prove it...and I have FAITH that it is the TRUTH... ‘knowing’ means that you are certain about that truth.....and I am certain.
2nd meaning... Believing always leaves room for doubt, but ‘knowing’ leads to confidence....another idea, simple as can be.
3rd meaning... Believing is blind trust, while ‘knowing’ is trusting with awareness....the last idea....seems simple too.
Please don't try to muddy the waters... Leave out conviction vs choice, as we already discussed that a few months ago....
'Chosen' a truth implies that what you have 'chosen' is in fact true and factual.
As that is not necessarily the case, you could be wrong, the distinction lies between faith, believing that what you have is true and factual, and what is actually true and factual regardless of what people believe.
And again, we don't choose to be convinced. The process of conviction is more complex than 'choice.'
"Chosen' a truth implies that what you have 'chosen' is in fact true and factual".
No, I realize, not factual to you or other atheist.....JUST ME and a lot of Christians.
Something that is true and factual, by definition, is true and factual regardless of what you, or I, or anyone believes or disbelieves.
Nobody can choose something to be objectively true or false.
Does 'Allah' exist because millions of Muslims 'choose' to believe in the existence of Allah?
>>>>Something that is true and factual, by definition, is true and factual regardless of what you, or I, or anyone believes or disbelieves.<<<< Regarding God The Bible, no argument here....But who decides?
>>>> Nobody can choose something to be objectively true or false<<<< Regarding God The Bible....Believing means that one has chosen a truth...to me that is the TRUTH... AGAIN, I cannot prove it...BUT I have FAITH that I believe it is the TRUTH...re-read those last 11 words starting with But.
>>>>Does 'Allah' exist because millions of Muslims 'choose' to believe in the existence of Allah?<<<< We do not know....But if that is what Muslims BELIEVE, then it is TRUE in their eyes. I will not diss them.
Belief alone cannot be used to establish the truth of what is being believed. It's a fallacy called ''begging the question.''
If the word 'truth' represents the facts of the world, all the things of the world and how they work, it takes more than just belief to establish truth, it takes verifiable, testable evidence.
Belief is easy, anyone can believe anything and call it 'truth,' because that suits their needs. But that's not how reality works, where things may not be as we would like.
