Originally Posted by Raspy
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Calling the cosmos, or universe, a creation is an unsubstantiated assertion.

There's nothing in religious documents that even come close to describing the universe because those writers had no idea. You'd think a god would want to mention that to somebody - might've added more clout to the story.

Oh, but there are mentions....

Judaeo-Christian scripture has never hesitated to mention.....

“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:3)

“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” (Colossians 1:16)

There seem to be two options here: Either nothing caused the known universe to exist, or something cause the known universe to exist....but just like DBT said, "The fact is, there being no conclusions, we don't know. "

I also said that what is written in our holy books is not evidence that what is written is true and factual.

As with all of us, the ancients tried to make sense of the world by creating stories about it, how it came about, how it was created, etc.

That doesn't mean they knew, or they had a hotline to their assumed Creator. They are stories, creation myths, morality tales, social identity and cohesion, hierarchies of priests to minister the flock.....