Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by antlers
The new atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have made it crystal clear that their goal is to demolish Christianity. And they don’t try to do it under the false pretense of “sorting fact from fiction” and “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion” like certain atheists and anti-theists here do. Their posts clearly have nothing to do with “sorting fact from fiction” or “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion.” The agenda is clearly the same for those mentioned above, but at least Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are honest about it.

Atheists, like Christians and other theists, are individuals, some may have agendas, others don't. Most likely the majority of atheists, having little interest in religion, just get on with their lives.

I'm not trying to do anything more than sort fact from fiction. If evidence for the existence of a God came to light, whatever the version, I would accept the reality of God.

Nicely said....I think evidence vs proof is where people get confused....

My contention of Proof is the final verdict that removes all doubts, whereas evidence only leads one in the direction of a fact or statement.

So I think you need proof, and I like to call that "Mauser Proof"...


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