[quote=Raspy] You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies.
Nice Christian manner and values you have there, ad homs, insults, intolerance, false accusations, just suppressed for little longer than your mate Ace who has nothing but these things to respond with.
Give one example of where you think I lied.
You won't and you can't, you can't because it did not happen.
It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerancetm' who make false accusations in defense of faith.
Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion.
If you cannot tolerate questioning, don't engage. Believe whatever floats your boat. Simple as that
I do have nice Christian manners, and I do call a spade, a spade....and what ad hominems, as you are the one attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument.
Here is another one of your lies about me, quote, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." I've never hurled out insults or acted badly, and never discouraged fair and reasonable questioning....again, this is where your twisting vegetable salad comes in to play.
This is another lie, quote, "It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance' who make false accusations in defense of faith." Please name one false accusation I've made.
I disagree with this statement vehemently, quote, "Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion." I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH?
I can and do tolerate questioning and give you my opinion(s)...as said many times, I believe in God the Bible and that is the only Boat I have to float.
As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim.
***Originally Posted by Raspy***
>>>You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney<<<
....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies.
***Ok...you are correct, I did say you are an absolute Liar or just a bit looney....and for this I do apologize.***
Originally Posted by DBT
As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim.
I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH?
You are hand waving. Backpedaling.
Where is the evidence that I have lied?
Are you hoping to avoid backing your accusation?
Did you not read carefully the above? I did make a public apology to you, DBT.....and I stand firm in my Faith.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't come across as a genuine apology. You didn't acknowledge that there are no examples of me lying or acting a 'loony,'
As for 'there is enough evidence for Christians,' I have to ask, what exactly is this evidence?
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I genuinely meant the apology...
Which is an acknowledgement that I did not lie. That your accusation was false.
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As for exact evidence....we already hashed the heck out of that.....but as I suggested above this post..."Proof is the final verdict that removes all doubts, whereas evidence only leads one in the direction of a fact or statement." Evidence is what I hope is true, I guess that hope of mine, is called faith.
Evidence is not defined as being "what I hope is true." The very notion of hope being used as evidence is absurd.
What is hoped to be true and believed to be true on that basis is faith, not evidence. With actual evidence there is no need for faith.
