Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Fubarski
After the 4.5 billion years and alla the mutations, e. coli is still just e. coli.

Mutations aren't evolution.

Mutations are random genetic misfires that may help, or hurt, the organism.

There's mutations among humans, i.e., webbed feet, but no one is suggesting the people with webbed feet is more evolved than the resta us.

The usual bullshit thrown out in desperation.


Change in allele frequency is the very definition of evolution.

hurt the descendants too much and they don't make it. Help them enough and they are more successful, and you have natural selection. Wash, rinse, repeat for an unimaginable number of generations and you have populations evolving into new species.

It's all very simple.


Bullshit always sounds simple.

Mutations aren't passed on as an evolutionary progression would be.

It's a random event that happened to happen, and the chances of it being passed on are exactly the same as it happening in the first place.

And as a random event, the mutation may be just as likely a step backwards, from an evolutionary standpoint.

And e. coli, is still just e. coli. If your theory was fact, e. coli'd be walkin and talkin, by now.


How can some folks not understand that when a mutation occurs, it only affects the descendants of that individual. It does not affect the entire species, unless all members of the species without the new mutation become extinct.

In other words, some members of E Coli may have acquired mutations and some of their descendants other mutations until some descendants are walking and talking today. But that does not preclude the possibility that an nonmutated population of original E Coli does still live.

The crocodile, and some "prehistoric fishes" are examples of populations which have remained unchanged for extreme time periods while other populations have changed.


There's no evidence E. coli existed 4.5 billion years ago. Bacteria, yes. While crocodiles haven't changed a lot over millions of years, they have indeed changed. Many species died out and new ones came into being. Their biggest claim to fame was their ability to survive the extinction event at the K-t boundary (likely caused by the meteor off the coast in the Yucatan). Somewhere back 4+ billion years ago, we likely have a common ancestor with E. coli as Idaho_Shooter claims.