Originally Posted by nighthawk
Originally Posted by DBT
You can't change the words of the bible from what they say and mean to something that they do not say or mean. If the words state that God is responsible for evil, that is the meaning.

Right. The bible was originally written in English and only the KJV was dictated by God. Again, for the reasonable:

The Hebrew word that is translated “evil,” or ra, can indeed mean moral evil such as in Genesis 2:9, “the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil [ra].” However, ra can also refer to natural evil, such as in Psalm 34:19: “Many are the afflictions (ra) of the righteous; but the LORD delivers him out of them all.”

The Hebrew words used for peace and evil in this verse are shalom and ra. The word shalom is a greeting and along with literally meaning “peace” it is an informal way of wishing someone well. Prior to this verse, Isaiah is describing how God is in complete control of the universe. The Israelite’s suffering is not the result of God being unable to fend off other evil gods, a belief common among non-Jews of the time. Rather, when the Israelites suffer, the prophet has made it clear that God is aware of their suffering and is directing it toward a good end.


No, it goes much further than that. It clearly paints a picture of a God in control, not one who lost control because of pesky 'free will' - a God who deliberately creates evil for His own purpose.

That the bible states God as the author of evil cannot be denied;

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6, KJV)

"Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? " (Lamentations 3:38)

''The Lord is a man of war'' Exodus 15:3.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea roar; He shall prevail against His enemies". Isaiah 42:13


''Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory'' - Romans 9:21-23


"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.'' Proverbs 16:4