Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Starman

God in effect prepared and brought such evil onto Job , and did it through an evil agent entity he permits to exist
and at the instruction of God.


Originally Posted by nighthawk
You fail to distinguish moral evil or wickedness from physical "evil" such as calamity, disaster, etc,
Allowing moral evil to exist is not the same as creating moral evil.


NO , it seems you fail to realize Job suffers evils/calamities as result of both physical and moral evil brought on directly
by an arrangement between God and Satan.

Job 1:13. a messenger comes to Job and tells him that the had attacked and stolen all his oxen
and asses and killed all the servants with them.

16, another messenger comes and says that the fire of God had fallen and destroyed all his sheep and the servants with them.

17, another messenger comes and says that the Chaldeans had raided the camel herd and taken them all and killed the servants.

18–19, the message comes that all of his children were crushed to death when a tornado caused the house to collapse.

(Two of the calamities were caused by evil men.)


Originally Posted by nighthawk

Allowing moral evil to exist is not the same as creating moral evil.


it is part of Gods original plan that moral evil should exist , and that it should be created by prior arrangement through God.
calamities/evils [be they moral or physical] do not happen without Gods empowering authorisation to natural forces, or to
Satan and wicked mankind.

Satan is Gods spiritual attack dog that he let off the leash. giving him dominion-making him prince of this world,
..Satan can do no more or less than God permits.

if you as a master let a savage pit bull off the leash knowing it would attack and kill people, you are responsible.
its no different with Gods knowledge and control of Satan.

So you would conclude that God is evil? In league with Satan to drive all men to eternal damnation?


The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh

Which explains a lot.