Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Thunderstick
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Thunderstick
[quote=DBT]

Where does the gravity and matter/energy interaction come from?



It doesn't come from anywhere, matter/energy/gravity exists, something rather than nothing, cyclic, quantum fluctuations, multiverse.....nobody knows...not even those who assert 'God did it'


How do you know that it existed before the Big Bang? You will say because the Big Bang used it. How do you know the Big Bang used it? Because it made a Big Bang. Talk about unverifiable circular reasoning.


Please pay attention. I have said that it is not known what came before the BB, whether the universe is cyclic, part of a multiverse, etc, etc,....what we do know is that a universe exists. Its nature and how matter/energy came about (if it did) is a work in progress. "God did it" is just a belief and an assertion....which doesn't really explain a thing.


How is the "assertion" that "God did it" any more speculative than "God didn't do it?" You would need to have omniscient knowledge to authoritatively say "God didn't do it". In fact you would need to be what you say does not exist in order to validate the statement which you already made. There is far more statistical evidence that points towards a Being as described by the Bible than there is to support the assumptions that energy and matter always was, and that was the catalyst for a Big Bang which was the catalyst for a universe that randomly developed into a fine tuned operation. You are fighting an uphill battle that defies logic, common sense, math, and statistical probability--but that is what you must do to advance your alleged scientific cause.