Originally Posted by Etoh
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by Etoh
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by DBT
You don't have to believe it. The functioning of your computer - for just one example - is greater than the sum of its parts. The collection of parts in the right order, apply energy and you get marvelous information processing activity that has never existed before computers....and before you invoke a designer, there is a difference between natural systems and obviously constructed systems.


Some of you posts are foolish and some are even more foolish. This one is right at the top of more foolish. You are obfuscating when changing the conversation to the sum of its parts from the effect cannot be equal to or greater than its cause. The idea that natural systems and constructed systems, if you are speaking of living things, is the difference in New York city and a dirt clod. And yet natural systems run down and eventually die. Even go extinct. As much as folks try to get around entropy real life and lab experiments show things go from order to disorder. So yes, even natural systems need The Designer.



The computer example is an excellent example of the concept of entropy combined with the concept of information theory.

the order to disorder thingie your hung up is only reflective of some types complex non linear systems. thats why the current trend is a combination of thermo, quantum, and information theory.

other than physical size, the clod and the city share far more properties, than not. Your comparison is a hard set, of similar characteristics, classical Set Theory, and makes no allowances for similar membership functions.

Ironically all theological explanations are talking about forces from a far, attributes of that force, from the entropy of the observer.

God talk is no different than field theory talk, they are both human constructs.

From Carl Jung, science is the extrovert in man, and religion is the introvert.


You are confusing the idea of God talk with field theory. Without God there no humans to consider anything including "field theory". The Bible informs us man worships the creation instead of the Creator. Believing in something from nothing should fall in the category of insanity. An Infinite Intelligent Energy has no beginning or bounds. Otherwise Infinite has no meaning.



your Argument from Authority is not accepted


"Because I said so" worked for Mom.

It doesn't work in the above case?

Geno


The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)

member of the cabal of dysfunctional squirrels?