Mike, I think the feel for the trajectory comes from the familiarity. Much the same as a bow shooter not using a sight.
Ron has done a hell of a lot and collaboration with “The Mission”, and has held my interest in the 458’s. This prior year I have been focusing on smaller bores and lever rifles in revolver cartridges. Mostly the search for and acquisition of. Though have not shat-canned the 458’s. I have the Lott at the gunsmith shop having some work done on it. The 458 Winchester, I also have some modifications planned for it.
I decided more or less on using the Barnes 450 grain TSX for both. I should have bought more, but have a couple of hundred for a start.
I probably should have bought some 350 grain TSX to try. Several people seem to have had excellent performance with them on sizable critters. I just have a mental block / near distrust for shooting anything less than a 400 grain in the 458’s. The same applies with the 416’s and using less than a 350 grain.
Anyways appears to be limited supplies out there now. I have sufficient brass and powder for both the 458 Winchester and Lott.
In time, I definitely plan to experiment a bit with both 458’s.


Originally Posted by MikeMcGuire
Originally Posted by ldmay375
LMAO !!!!
My interest waned in the 458 once the 416 Ruger appeaed in a stainless rifle.
Had entertained thoughts of a stainless 458 Winchester. I still think of doing it. I currently have a stainless 458 Lott.
But, would be as happy or happier with a stainless Ruger or M70 classic re-barrel to 458 Winchester. I like the standard length actions more than the H&H length.



45 and of course 375 have the bullets. We have a bullet maker in Australia that does different runs and all "blow things to bits" bullets and they are 30, 375 and 45.

In the early 2000s I had a lot to do with the Wby Custom Shop because of 378s. he bloke running the shop told me that with the 378, 416 and 460 Wby that all the reloading action was with the 378 and 460 and the 416 was a factory ammo deal.

I had both the 416 Remington and 416 Wby Mark V but I got out of them and because of bullets. Of course I realise when it comes to premium bullets for very big game the 416 is equal to any big bore but it is poor for other bullets.

Lot of blokes in Australia use the 300 grain 458 bullets and quite a few have both the 458 and Marlin 45/70.

It is quite amazing how well you can do at long range with that 400 grain Speer at 2000-2100. You seen to get onto the animals after half a day or so. I have shot the 458 with the 400 grain Speer alongside the 270. You do better with the 270 at first but y lunch time on the first day the 458 hold its own. I know this sounds ridiculous but a big bullet going slow seems to have "some type of feel" to it when it comes to range and hold over.