Sir Bob,

In retrospect, my adventures with hardcast bullets in the .458 WM are quite hilarious.
Not so funny when I was experiencing them.

I started with a box of 500 of Berry's Bullets, store-bought, 405-grainers, plain base, grease-grooved, blue-lubed from the factory.
They measured .459" diameter and weighed 409 grains on average including the lube.
BHN 20, by my Lee test kit.

46 grains of AA-5744 made them go 1884 fps (instrumental, 5-yards) from a 24" barrel of .459" groove, 1:14" twist.
They were all KEYHOLED and shooting like buckshot in cylinder bore pattern.

36 grains of AA-5744 gave 1568 fps for 5-yard velocity, half made round holes, half made keyholes, pattern tightened to full choke.

26 grains of AA-5744 made them go barely supersonic but gave three-shot, sub-MOA group at 1182 fps MV, same rifle.

I settled for 30.0 grains of AA-5744, that gave a 1.5" group for 3 shots at 100 yards, MV = 1378 fps.
I especially liked that load because it had a 5-shot ES of 10 fps and st.dev. of 3 fps.

Next bullet, same rifle:

Same 30.0-grain charge of AA-5744 (no filler) worked well with a .459"/485-gr Lyman RNGC, grease-lubed. Good accuracy and uniformity.
Two different 5-shot strings chronographed with my Oehler 35P at 5 yards averaged 1335 fps and 1334 fps,
72 to 75 degrees F that day at the range.
So for 10 shots I called it 1334.5 fps average = 1335 fps.
Add 7 fps to correct to MV: 1342 fps MV

So use 30.0 grains of AA-5744 with your .459"/ 465-grainer and you will probably get >1350 fps and <1400 fps,
with hunting accuracy.
That ought to BAGWELL.
My COLs were all short, 3.080" with 409-grainer, 3.180" with 485-grainer.
F215 primer or WLRM primer, R-P brass or Hornady or WW-Super.
Use whatever you have on hand and skip the trial and error wasting of bullets.

Now I know to use .461" hardcast bullets with smokeless powders for highest velocities in the .458 Winchester Magnum with .459" groove.
But a .459" bullet at sub-1400 fps is cool beans from same rifle too.


Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente
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